it is interesting to me that so many here believe that Babylon is all the different christian churches.....and judge them to be apostate under the new teachings which are now discussed on this forum and many proclaim.........one can condemn all new testament churches under this teaching.....True the churches suffer from different doctrines and confusion is a plague within the churches......but is it Mystery Babylon?

Jesus warn and said that the kingdom would become a great tree that the birds of the air would lodge in its branches......Satan has manage to confuse by twisting the word of God and thus many doctrines ........But the truth is out there.....and God is able to save......We know and understand that the church is not perfect....but is it Mystery Babylon?

Scripture tells us who mystery babylon is.......Rev. speaks of a great city that reigns over the kings of the earth.....Is the christian church a city?

Zech. 5:5-11....Prophesies and speaks of wickedness and a temple build for her in the land of Shinar..... A house is spoken of as doctrine...... Jesus builds a house..... He being the chief cornerstone which is the gospel......Moses build a house which was the law........And in this case a wicked doctrine will come from the land of Shinar....Can you guess where the land of Shinar lies?........yes Babylon.......Today Babylon the actual city is being rebuilt.....And has started with Sadaam....The land of Iraq has a law that the king must rebuild the citys.....One day Babylon will rise and a wicked doctrine will come from her.....

Its noteworthy that all the prophesies concerning babylon (the actual city) have not been fulfilled the the old testament concerning her......Some have been fulfilled but there are many that have not been fulfilled......God does not lie......He will destroy her in the last days......But what wicked doctrine will come from Babylon?

I personally believe that the Babylonian Talmud is truly mystery Babylon.....The city of Babylon will one day embrace the Talmud.....and the kings of the earth will be deceived by its teachings and will drink the wine of her fornication......God will destroy her for her sins

So based on scriptures...Babylon will be what God said it to be....simply Babylon the city.....and mystery Babylon is the doctrine that comes out of her.....To say that it is the church....well thats just false doctrine

Would you not agree that the "Church" has been infiltrated with paganism? This can be traced back to the creation of the RCC.

Trevor

yes i agree the catholic church has many pagan similarities and that many denominations though time adopted pagan ideas hidden as good or harmless

but scripture is clear that Babylon is a city
and that wickedness (mytery babylon) will raise her to greatness.....
Babylon will become a wealthy city from the abominations of that religious system.....(perhaps similar to Hitler and stealing the wealth of the jews in his country and then exterminating the people)....in this case mytery Babylon will kill all who do not agree with its system.....all the blood of saints are found in her spoken of in revelation

In zech....the woman (wickedness) is first seen by zech....and she is cast in an ephah by an angel and seal with a heavy lid.....(Implying that the wickedness is bound)....but that 2 woman (prehaps nations) will lift her up (raise her between heaven and earth) and build a house for her in shinar....ie babylon in iraq

what this tells me is that the wickedness has been on earth but sealed....but when she is unleased she will have a home in babylon and reign for a short space.....how long will that short space be?....long enough for babylon to rise into a great city....and decieve the 10 kingdoms yet to be formed....for the 10 kingdoms will also drink the wine of her fornication...implying doctrine...

Hi there trevor and Dfw69

dfw mentions
..."yes i agree the catholic church has many pagan similarities and that
many denominations though time adopted pagan ideas hidden as good or harmless"..

Actually the most of the doctrines the Catholic Church introduced have they're roots in Babylon or Bab'el

Now Bab'el sure got Yahhs attention
because its a revival of the system that was in place before the flood.
You can thank Ham for that.

Now the Hebrew children
liked to fornicate with the mighty ones of Bab'el (pagan gods)
Im sure that this seemed harmless to them but

To Yahh this is adultery

The christian church has fell victim to the same thinking
history repeat it self again.

Will christianity be allowed to present
her cup of Fornication
to the nations forever,
as a harmless thing?

Re 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in
Thyatira write;
These things saith the Son of Gd, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee,
because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, (meet miss Babylon)
which calleth herself a prophetess,
to teach and to seduce my servants
to commit fornication,
and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. (forbiden by Law)
21 And I gave her space to repent
of her fornication;
and she repented not
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed,
and them that commit adultery with her
into great tribulation,
except they repent of their deeds.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira,
as many as have not this doctrine,
and which have not known the depths of Satan,
as they speak;
I will put upon you none other burden.
26 And he that overcometh,
and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; (In the last Days (the Law) will go forth again)
as the vessels of a potter shall
they be broken to shivers:

even as I received of my Father.

All these little changes seemed harmless enough to the catholic church
and
to the ones who are in bed with her.
But
there will be a time of Judgement for the Christian churches
fornicating with the other gods.
Unless they repent

This is Yshwua warning

blessings to everyone

hi all.....it seems the church system needs to be cleaned from all the things you just spoke of simon.....but who will do you cleaning?..... man or God?.....there are doctrines in place that see the church system as evil and needs to be cleansed......mans judgement.....but Jesus said do not judge.....and whatever judgement they will use to rid the world of the church......they will be judge based upon their works upon the church .....we know that the church is not perfect.....but who is man to condemn?

its no secret that the church will be persecuted..... Jesus has warn us ahead of time......"if they persecuted me they will persecute you"

but the plan to rid the world from the so-called deceptions of the church is now being revealed and perhaps someday soon it will be carried out by man.....and profess to be Gods will.....but is it Gods will?....Jesus said that the will of the father is to obey Christ.......Christ said do not Judge.....but man will judge and do it anyway....and think they do Gods service...just as christ predicted

woe to them that call evil good and good evil.......to say it is just to condemn and start over with the talmud or the law is just wicked.....

three doctrines i find wicked upon the earth today......the illuminati (the architects).....the talmud....and the torah.....all will play a role in these last days...........all 3 judgements of man ....all 3 antichrist in spirit .....all 3 producing fruits of the flesh....

antichrist in spirit because it goes against christ teachings......love forgive have mercy condemn not judge not...which are the true fruits of the holy spirit

im sorry if anyone disagrees ......this is how i see it......every tree is known by its fruits........................a good tree brings forth good fruit and a bad tree brings forth evil fruit

im sorry....i meant who will do the cleansing man or God?

Hi there DFw

you mention
.."im sorry if anyone disagrees ......this is how i see it......every tree is known by its fruits........................a good tree brings forth good fruit and a bad tree brings forth evil fruit"...

Its ok to disagree, by expressing different views it causes us to review what we believe
or sift through it for wheat or chaff.

Its important to do it with a nice Spirit and everyone benifits.

No one agree completely on everything said
thats the way it live goes
Even though we disagree we should be able to love one another.

As you pointed out the fruit
another mights say works
but its all fruit
no matter how you look at it.

Your fruit is going to follow you into the Judgement
my fruit/works will follow me into judgement

thats a given fact.
So we rise or if we fall it is for
the Judge to decide.

Rising or falling will be directly related
on how much time we spend
on walking in the Spirit..

blessings to you
Bro DFW

hi simon......yes i totally agree 100 %......if i sound offensive ....i dont mean to be at all....i will try extra hard not to say things that may sound offensive

thank you ruben.....peace and blessing to all....

yes let me know if i spoken out of line...thank you